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		<description><![CDATA[Anna Lawlor, Investment Advisor, Financial Times Whether their wrist is adorned with a Casio, Swatch or DKNY, or clothed in a Raymond Weil, Rolex or Cartier, chances are few people look upon their watch as a serious investment. Yet, as the legacy of the financial crisis sees creeping tax increases across the board, ‘wasting assets’ [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anna Lawlor, Investment Advisor, Financial Times </p>
<p>Whether their wrist is adorned with a Casio, Swatch or DKNY, or clothed in a Raymond Weil, <a href="http://swisswatchbargains4u.com/store/Wristwatches/rolex"  class="alinks_links" onclick="return alinks_click(this);" title=""  style="padding-right: 13px; background: url(http://swisswatchbargains4u.com/wp-content/plugins/alinks/images/external.png) center right no-repeat;" rel="external">Rolex</a> or <a href="http://www.swisswatchbargains4u.com/store/Wristwatches/cartier-wrist"  class="alinks_links" onclick="return alinks_click(this);" title=""  style="padding-right: 13px; background: url(http://swisswatchbargains4u.com/wp-content/plugins/alinks/images/external.png) center right no-repeat;" rel="external">Cartier</a>, chances are few people look upon their watch as a serious investment.</p>
<p>Yet, as the legacy of the financial crisis sees creeping tax increases across the board, ‘wasting assets’ such as watches and clocks are increasingly being considered as an alternative investment by the more serious investor.</p>
<p>HM Revenue &#038; Customs (HMRC) considers such ‘mechanical’ items as outside of the capital gains tax (CGT) regime because they are deemed to have a lifespan of 50 years or fewer and are generally for personal use. </p>
<p>Of course, VAT is often applied at purchase but the capital gain arising from the liquidation of the asset is tax-free. No inheritance tax is applicable either.</p>
<p>According to Paul Fraser Collectibles, the online site of the former chairman and owner of collecting company Stanley Gibbons: “It has already been a good year for rare, collectible timepieces, with several new world records set for watches at auction – including the most expensive gold wrist watch ever sold at auction”.</p>
<p>Opinion seems to be polarised as to the best way to enter the timepiece market; detached, cool investment focus or starting with a personal item that has sentimental or aesthetic appeal for the investor.</p>
<p>Chris Brown, managing director of Fitzrovia Watches, says: “As with art, there is no point buying an alternative investment unless you actually like it.” He explains as “equity markets are so choppy”, he has seen an increasing number of people look for investments they can ‘“derive pleasure from, as well as a financial return”.</p>
<p>According to Tom Bolt, director of WatchGuru.com, which specialises in <a href="http://swisswatchbargains4u.com/store/Wristwatches/rolex"  class="alinks_links" onclick="return alinks_click(this);" title=""  style="padding-right: 13px; background: url(http://swisswatchbargains4u.com/wp-content/plugins/alinks/images/external.png) center right no-repeat;" rel="external">Rolex</a> watches and other vintage timepieces, there is a gender divide in terms of collectibles. </p>
<p>Most traders and collectors are men and the mechanical expertise of models tends to be in men’s watches.<br />
“If you think about it,” Mr Bolt says, “it’s much harder to produce a robust, durable watch on one-eighth of the size.”<br />
Mr Bolt, who wears vintage aside from the exclusive Richard Mille modern watches, says: “The idea of people buying a watch to last them a lifetime is complete nonsense. Very quickly it becomes addictive.” </p>
<p>He adds with a chuckle: “[<a href="http://swisswatchbargains4u.com/store/Watches/vintage-wristwatches"  class="alinks_links" onclick="return alinks_click(this);" title=""  style="padding-right: 13px; background: url(http://swisswatchbargains4u.com/wp-content/plugins/alinks/images/external.png) center right no-repeat;" rel="external">Vintage watch</a> collecting] is the ultimate man’s addiction – that isn’t too damaging.”<br />
Like brand new cars, the value of brand new watches tends to depreciate by approximately 40 per cent the moment a purchaser leaves the shop, further supporting the investment case of vintage models. </p>
<p>Mr Bolt believes depreciation of new watches to be even higher – perhaps even 50 per cent. One of the absurdities of the new watch premium is that a copy of a <a href="http://swisswatchbargains4u.com/store/Wristwatches/patek"  class="alinks_links" onclick="return alinks_click(this);" title=""  style="padding-right: 13px; background: url(http://swisswatchbargains4u.com/wp-content/plugins/alinks/images/external.png) center right no-repeat;" rel="external">Patek Philippe</a> classic watch costs £15,000, while the original it is copied from costs £6,000.<br />
Mr Brown advises taking a contrarian view of the watch market, reminding investors a Rolex Cosmograph 6265, which was worth £882 in 1986 and considered “somewhat passé”, now commands £25,000. </p>
<p>“Yesterday’s lack of popularity is today’s rarity,” he adds. This is further buoyed when considering the only apparent recession-proof luxury watches are those that have been discontinued and therefore have collectable status.<br />
Such pieces include the Rolex GMT II and Sea-Dweller, which ceased production in 2008 – although it is worth noting these are both products of the world’s most collected brand.</p>
<p>In addition to making it easier to ‘liquidate’ the investment at a beneficial time for the investor, another argument for remaining detached from any alternative investment such as timepieces is that, as with other collectibles – toys, for example – they command a higher price in mint condition, preferably unopened.</p>
<p>According to the auctioneer Bonhams, a watch could be worth up to 70 per cent more at auction if it is accompanied by its original casing and documentation.</p>
<p>Online consumer resource and <a href="http://swisswatchbargains4u.com/store/Wristwatches/omega"  class="alinks_links" onclick="return alinks_click(this);" title=""  style="padding-right: 13px; background: url(http://swisswatchbargains4u.com/wp-content/plugins/alinks/images/external.png) center right no-repeat;" rel="external">Omega</a> watch specialist Chronocentric.com states precious-metal watches and those carrying diamond inlays are sold new at 10-20x premium. At resale, “the values better reflect the market value, not the exclusivity premium,” it says.</p>
<p>The site warns against investing in timepieces with the serial numbers removed, which are heavily discounted, of poor-durability brands or customised, all of which negatively affect resale value. While more akin to antique furniture in some ways, clocks, which also fall under the HMRC’s ‘mechanical’ description, along with barometers and some scientific instruments, share many of the resale and collectible factors of wristwatches. </p>
<p>One additional element for investor consideration is physical storage, depending on the size and nature of the clock.<br />
Although the price of grandfather clocks – known as longcases – has fallen over the past 10 years, some aficionados are viewing this as a buy sign, akin to Mr Brown’s advice to be a contrarian investor in timepieces.</p>
<p>The average grandfather clock is more than 2.1m tall – those less than 2m are considered grandmother clocks, for which there is less resale demand and are therefore riskier long-term investments.</p>
<p>Grandfather clocks with a value of less than £1,000 can be as costly again in terms of renovation, and these factors prove the importance of seeking expert advice and using a respected antiques dealer or clock specialist to either collate this aspect of a diversified alternatives portfolio, or to help purchase a one-off piece for both the home and financial return. </p>
<p>The cost of checking the authenticity of a timepiece is roughly £50.<br />
There is no market index for timepiece prices, so valuations are typically based on a database of prior sales figures for that make and model and combined with the valuation made of that specific piece by an auction house. </p>
<p>If physical ownership of a tangible asset is not important to an investor, another avenue for investing in timepieces is to hold shares in listed producers, such as LVMH, of which <a href="http://swisswatchbargains4u.com/store/Wristwatches/heuer"  class="alinks_links" onclick="return alinks_click(this);" title=""  style="padding-right: 13px; background: url(http://swisswatchbargains4u.com/wp-content/plugins/alinks/images/external.png) center right no-repeat;" rel="external">Tag Heuer</a>, Chaumet, Zenith and Hubolt are subsidiaries. </p>
<p>However, these watches and jewellery brands are a small percentage of the luxury brands company, and heavyweight brands such as Rolex remain private entities. </p>
<p>For exposure to global luxury brands, an investor might consider a traditional fund, such as Julius Baer Luxury Brands (a retail Oeic) or, for institutional investors, Pictet’s PF Premium Brands. </p>
<p>The latter invests in Compagnie Financière Richemont, which itself oversees subsidiaries such as Cartier, Montblanc and Ralph Lauren Watches.</p>
<p>According to Mr Bolt, there simply aren’t enough ‘investment-grade’ <b><a href="http://swisswatchbargains4u.com/store/Watches/vintage-wristwatches"  class="alinks_links" onclick="return alinks_click(this);" title=""  style="padding-right: 13px; background: url(http://swisswatchbargains4u.com/wp-content/plugins/alinks/images/external.png) center right no-repeat;" rel="external">vintage watches</a></b> available for investment funds to take advantage of the alternative asset class. </p>
<p>He says: “I’ve had funds come to me asking to invest £20m [in watches]. They are a wonderful investment – if you buy right you can return 100 per cent in 3-4 years – but there aren’t enough of them to make it work.”</p>
<p>While investors and advisers may be more familiar with the traditional route into alternatives, it would increase asset class correlation in the portfolio and omit the tax advantages. </p>
<p>The case, once again, for direct exposure to such alternatives – in moderation and with direction from experts – stacks up.<br />
Of course, no adviser will suggest a serious client should switch out of traditional opportunities and opt for speculative, alternate investments such as this. </p>
<p>But in the wake of traditional assets all moving – downward – in tandem and given the higher-tax outlook, considering a small allocation to alternatives that may not only deliver healthy long-term returns but engage investors in their future wealth creation has per-haps never been more timely.</p>
<p>Top five collectable timepieces*<br />
1. Rare 1943 <a href="http://swisswatchbargains4u.com/store/Wristwatches/patek"  class="alinks_links" onclick="return alinks_click(this);" title=""  style="padding-right: 13px; background: url(http://swisswatchbargains4u.com/wp-content/plugins/alinks/images/external.png) center right no-repeat;" rel="external">Patek Philippe</a> watch<br />
Sold for £2,675,400 at Christie’s auction in May, the second-highest price for a wrist watch ever, and double its pre-auction estimate. It is the most expensive gold watch ever auctioned, was signed “Patek Philippe &#038; Co” and billed at the auction as “unique and historically important”.</p>
<p>2. Qing Dynasty Chinese table clock<br />
Sold for £2,450,000 at Sotheby’s in June; triple its auction estimate. The imperial tribute enamel table clock was produced by the Guangzhou Workshops of the Chinese Qing Dynasty, 1736-95.</p>
<p>3. Grande &#038; Petite Sonnerie Tourbillon clockwatch<br />
Sold at the Antiquorum of Modern and Vintage Time Pieces in Geneva for £204,500. This rare, 18-carat yellow gold watch dated to 1900 and was made for use in Moscow. The sale to a collector from Taiwan followed an intense bidding war.</p>
<p>4. Piguet and Meylan pocket watch<br />
This musical pocket watch was sold to a Swiss museum for £164,000 in April, New York. Its original estimate was for £25,000-£40,000. Created with the Chinese market in mind, built in 1815, it is made of gold, enamel and pearls.</p>
<p>5. A 1929 Cartier Comet clock<br />
This carriage desk clock, featuring the days of the week, date and alarm, sold for £160,000. It was a highlight of Patrizzi’s New York sale in March, which promised “the most important sale of Cartier time pieces since 1996”. Mounted on 18-carat yellow gold, it was presented with the original Morocco fitted box and Cartier certificate.</p>
<p>*By sales during 2010<br />
Source: Paulfrasercollectibles.com</p>
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		<title>A Guide to Buying Vintage Watches</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[A Collector's Guide to Buying Vintage Watches Collecting vintage watches is a growing hobby in most parts of the western world. Men, particularly, are attracted by the romance and novelty of having a micro-engine on their wrist as both a time-teller and an image statement. One of the most frustrating aspects of collecting vintage watches [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Collector's Guide to Buying <a href="http://swisswatchbargains4u.com/store/Watches/vintage-wristwatches"  class="alinks_links" onclick="return alinks_click(this);" title=""  style="padding-right: 13px; background: url(http://swisswatchbargains4u.com/wp-content/plugins/alinks/images/external.png) center right no-repeat;" rel="external">Vintage Watches</a></p>
<p>Collecting vintage watches is a growing hobby in most parts of the western world. Men, particularly, are attracted by the romance and novelty of having a micro-engine on their wrist as both a time-teller and an image statement.<br />
One of the most frustrating aspects of collecting vintage watches is the number of fakes, frankenwatches and fraudsters one encounters in pursuit of this noble, but increasingly costly, passion.</p>
<p>The comeback of the mechanical watch has drawn out all sorts of  insects from under their rocks. The pursuit of one's passion for old timepieces will inevitably lead to numerous encounters with rogue repairers who charge house prices for inferior work, linear decendents of horse thieves who palm off fakes as the real thing, Doctor Frankenstein who create sought-after models from parts of other watches, the usual bevy of crooks and tricksters out to convince the gullible and the unwary to swipe their well worn credit cards.<br />
In a recent seven day survey and follow-up I completed on the listing of vintage <a href="http://swisswatchbargains4u.com/store/Wristwatches/omega"  class="alinks_links" onclick="return alinks_click(this);" title=""  style="padding-right: 13px; background: url(http://swisswatchbargains4u.com/wp-content/plugins/alinks/images/external.png) center right no-repeat;" rel="external">Omega</a> Constellation watches on a major on-line trading site, more than 50 percent of all listings were of watches that were inauthentic in some way - that gives you some idea of what collectors are up against.</p>
<p>Caveat Emptor, rarity and product knowledge steer the purchasing behaviors of astute collectors in any collecting field and these three principles are particularly important when purchasing vintage watches on-line and through bricks and mortar dealers.<br />
Frankenwatches describe the practice of taking parts from different watches of the same calibre series and 'creating' a new or better pedigree of movement. In some countries of Europe they are called 'Wedding' watches. This practice is especially prevalent in middle and higher end timepieces that are most sought-after by collectors.</p>
<p>In tandem with the obvious deception of Frankenwatches, there are a number of other intentional and inadvertent frauds that occur:</p>
<p>1. Housing a different movement in a genuine case or re-dialed model. If you are interested in collecting a particular brand of watch, get to know the calibre numbers of movements that power particular models. Calibre numbers are different to serial numbers and can best be described as the engine type (similar to cars: e.g. 2.5-litre DOHC V6 describing the engine in a current X Type Jaguar). Some calibres of a particular brand are more collectible than others, so it pays to know what's under the bonnet.</p>
<p>2. Using a similar movement series and replacing the part that has the calibre number. This is prevalent in watch brands that have numerous models and where the top line models fetch higher prices that the cheaper models. Often you can tell a fraud of this type through coloration contrasts or newness of the parts that contains the calibre number.</p>
<p>3. Placing a high end dial and movement in the wrong case. Many of the higher end vintage watches have case back numbers that can be checked with serial numbers to see if they match.</p>
<p>4. Replacing worn hands and crowns with non-genuine hands and crowns and claiming the watch is 100 percent authentic. A common problem with many vintage models that reduces the value of the watch. Before buying, build up a library of pictures of watches that you know are genuine and match a prospective purchase against them. On-line forums are a great way to acquire and swap pictures.</p>
<p>5. Badly executed dials and re-dials. Ask for super-sized pictures so you can examine the quality of the printing and also the placement of lettering. A bad re-dial will wipe as much as 30 percent off the value of the watch. Again pictures and the help of other collectors are invaluable in making sure you have an authentic watch.</p>
<p>6. Replacing numerous worn parts in genuine models with genuine parts. While this is a perfectly acceptable practice, it does indicate that at some stage in the life of the movement it was neglected or damaged. Knowledgeable and pernickety collectors look for signs of color variation on the movement and often avoid watches that are not of one color hue.</p>
<p>Look for scratches or gouges on the non-replaced parts, and look for corrosion or other signs of wear and tear. Ask the vendor for a detailed report on the history of servicing of the watch and its current condition. If the vendor cannot supply such information it is better to let the watch go rather than experience the disappointment of acquiring a watch that has suffered abuse in the past and having to deal with the ongoing symptoms of that abuse.</p>
<p>7. Claiming an old warrior is a handsome prince. Many vendors use descriptions like 'minty', '100% authentic', 'very clean', 'this one is a keeper', and so on. Most of these descriptions are useless if not backed up by evidence.<br />
When examining a good quality picture of the watch movement, and always ask for pictures if you are buying on the internet, look for any discoloration of the surfaces of plates and bridges. Look for any signs of corrosion or parts of the watch that do not match in color, particularly rotor bridges and the part of the watch that contains the calibre or serial numbers. Look for new additions that show themselves by their shininess. These are all indicators of inauthenticity, parts swapping or at least major repairs.</p>
<p>8. Examine the movement for burred screw heads and scrapes and damage to the movement plates or bridges, which are sure signs of inexpert work, or at least indicate the movement was separate from the case for some time before a case was found to match. Checks for surface discoloration on the movement plates, blotches, corrosion, or parts that don't match the rest of the movement patina.</p>
<p>9. Examine the case back to determine whether the watch has had a hard life. Beware of excessive polishing that takes the sharpness away from the edges of the watch case, as that again indicates considerable wear and tear overall and devalues the watch.</p>
<p>10. A watch that has obviously had a hard life indicates carelessness towards its maintenance and irregularity in servicing. Generally speaking, mechanical watches should be serviced every three to five years, and it is not difficult to detect a watch that has been neglected because the signs of neglect are obvious to the naked eye.</p>
<p>Badly discolored watches with scratches, gouges to the movement, highly polished case backs and inexpertly refinished dials are sure signs of the amateur watchmaker at work and should be avoided. They can also point to a tired old movement jazzed up for sale and marketed with great hyperbole to the unwary Internet shopper.</p>
<p>11. Look carefully at the dial to see if screws have caused minor or major indentations on the dial. This indicates that incorrect or inauthentic screws have been used in the movement.</p>
<p>Look for corrosion on the dial or flakes that have come off the dial. This can indicate that a watch has spent some or all of its life in the tropics and was not serviced as regularly as it should have been. It can also indicate immersion in water.<br />
Watches that are regularly serviced will have their seals replaced at service and should show few signs of moisture having entered the case. Remember rust under a dial cannot be seen and flaky dials can be a sign of hidden problems underneath.</p>
<p>12. Rust cannot generally be removed from watches and at best can be neutralized. A sure sign of neglect is corrosion on or near the threads of the case back or the area where the case back meets the case. These are signs of irregular servicing and signify the possibility of excessive wear of the movement.</p>
<p>Watch collecting is a rewarding past-time for thousands of collectors worldwide. Fortunately they congregate in various forums on the Internet and are generally very happy to share their knowledge and passion for particular brands. Build up and use your knowledge to better determine the value of the watches you collect.</p>
<p>An evenly colored movement, retaining much of its original sheen and showing signs of regular service demands a higher price and improves its value far better than a poor cousin that has been through the wars.</p>
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		<title>Antique Jewelry &amp; Watch Show slated for Las Vegas MGM Grand</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[This year is the 15th edition of the Annual Las Vegas Antique Jewelry &#38; Watch Show, an annual event for the antique and estate jewelry, and dmg world media is organizing the event in a new venue, MGM Grand for its better accessibility, reports say. The annual trade-only event, is slated between June 3-6, 201, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This year is the 15th edition of the Annual Las Vegas Antique Jewelry &amp; Watch Show, an annual event for the antique and estate jewelry, and dmg world media is organizing the event in a new venue, MGM Grand for its better accessibility, reports say.<br />
The annual trade-only event, is slated between June 3-6, 201, opening a day prior to the JCK Show and is lining up over 300 nationally and internationally renowned antique jewelry and watch dealers, showcasing rare and historical antique and vintage pieces, gemstones, and watches. “We’ve always prided ourselves on having the best annual trade-only show for the antique and estate jewelry industry. From our new location, we are confident that our exhibitors will continue to bring highly coveted and fine quality jewelry, watches and gemstones,” said Andrea Canady, fair director for dmg world media’s Las Vegas Antique Jewelry &amp; Watch Show. </p>
<p>The exhibits will feature famous brands including <a href="http://www.swisswatchbargains4u.com/store/Wristwatches/cartier-wrist"  class="alinks_links" onclick="return alinks_click(this);" title=""  style="padding-right: 13px; background: url(http://swisswatchbargains4u.com/wp-content/plugins/alinks/images/external.png) center right no-repeat;" rel="external">Cartier</a>, <a href="http://swisswatchbargains4u.com/store/Wristwatches/rolex"  class="alinks_links" onclick="return alinks_click(this);" title=""  style="padding-right: 13px; background: url(http://swisswatchbargains4u.com/wp-content/plugins/alinks/images/external.png) center right no-repeat;" rel="external">Rolex</a>, Tiffany’s, Harry Winston, David Webb, <a href="http://swisswatchbargains4u.com/store/Wristwatches/patek"  class="alinks_links" onclick="return alinks_click(this);" title=""  style="padding-right: 13px; background: url(http://swisswatchbargains4u.com/wp-content/plugins/alinks/images/external.png) center right no-repeat;" rel="external">Patek Philippe</a> and Van Cleef &amp; Arpels, most pieces being signed and many bearing extensive provenances detailing previous ownership by celebrities or royalty.<br />
To excite participation to the event, MGM Grand is offering exceptional discounted hotel room rates to dealers and trade visitors.</p>
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